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By: vin | October 25th, 2008

…and hold on to your nuts, ’cause it’s about to get bumpy, kids.

It figures too; just as two giants of calcio (Juventus and Roma, in case you’re wondering) appear to be waking up from a seven-week slumber, one of them is due for a visit to Friuli.  On top of that, in the following weeks, Udinese must face second place (yes, second) Catania, followed by Genoa (meh), Spartak Moscow (another UEFA test) and Inter *explative* Milan. At. Meazza. Great.

The point, boys and girls, is that we’ve arrived at the part of the season where Udinese show us whether or not they belong at the top of the table.  Are the Zebrette that good?  Is this cohesive-looking outfit actually more worthy of a Champions League spot than a more… shall we say… storied and financially robust squad?

We’re sure to find out.  And while this bumpy stretch is set to last until November 9th at least (that date being Udinese’s date with Inter), it starts with the capitol kids… tomorrow, and so that’s where we’ll focus our attention.

As many of you know, Roma comes first in my heart (after the Azzurri, of course), and that holds true despite the fact that my second favorite club, Udinese, is having a far more successful campaign to date.  With that in mind, I’ve tried to think about this match as objectively as possible, and subsequently, I’m going to focus on what I *think* will happen, rather than what I’m hoping for.  So, here goes:

Venue: This is almost a non-factor.  Despite the unique look and ample capacity of Friuli, and despite the charisma of the Zebrette this term, there will be empty seats… lots of ‘em… and that’s after Roma’s ultras pack into a corner.  Point being, they might as well be playing in Tibet.

Roma (counter?)attacking Udinese: Half of you KNOW who the hell I’m going to mention first, so you might as well stop reading here, and skip down to Udinese attacking Roma.  If you haven’t figured it out though, I’ll make it clear: Totti’s back, and I haven’t heard the word “pain” mentioned in the same sentence as his name in a week.  And guess what: That doesn’t f*cking bode well for Udinese.  Nonetheless, Udinese’s defense is 100% intact and uninjured for this match (minus the back up ‘keeper, I think), so at least there are no big holes, and that’s good.  Moreover, we saw a far less attack-focused Roma against Chelsea, and I think that may carry over here.  In other words, Udinese might not be facing the revolving door attack that we saw from Roma last season. Instead, I think we’re looking at Romanaccio with a side of pray-for-a-counter, and that might just work for them.  By the way, as for the rest of Roma’s attack, big Baptista’s still out, but Vucinic et. al. should be present, and if you’re Roma, you want them present for those counters.

Udinese attacking Roma: I’ve read conflicting reports on Di Natale; some sources say he’ll be ready to roll, and some say he’s not quite there yet.  I say IT DOESN’T  MATTER.  Why?  Not because Toto isn’t the friggin’ man, but rather because Udinese have Pepe, Quagliarella, Floro Flores, Inler, D’Agostino and Sanchez.  IF Roma want to bust out the Romanaccio again, they’ll need their wits about them.  I almost want to leave it at that.  I mean… we KNOW what Udinese’s attack can do, and we KNOW that they have a stable of strikers that – regardless of how they’re being rotated week-to-week – are about as potent as they come.  And here’s another reason that Roma will have to be wary: MEXES = OUT.  The French Fabio Cannavaro’s absence leaves a hole that’s bigger than Panucci can cover, I think.  Other than that, Loria and Riise have been alternately good and bad (some would say more towards awful), which means that Roma’s mids (capable as they are) will have to draw back to pitch in.  Hmmm… maybe Romanaccio won’t be the result of a tactical decision as much as it will be an act of necessity.  Eh? We’ll see.

The big picture: This match is either going to suck bigtime, or it’s going to be one of the matches of the season.  In addition to the factors mentioned above, you also have the fact that Roma actually look to be playing like a team for the first time this campaign, while Udinese haven’t exactly be tested much domestically, to date.  As I said earlier, this is where the bumpy road begins for Udinese, and if the squad can pull through… even if it means a draw here and there… maybe people will actually *gasp* start giving them some credit… credit that’s well-deserved, in my opinion.

My best guess: If we go by stats alone, Udinese should win. Only Lazio and Inter have scored more goals than Udinese this term, while only Torino and Reggina have let as many in as Roma.   While Roma has more talent, Udinese has had more team synergy… until now, perhaps.  I think Roma turned a corner in England this past week, and their results will probably start improving.  That said, I think we’re looking at a Roma victory or at best, a draw.

Let the turbulence begin.



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  • lamagica |  October 26th, 2008 at 11:08 am

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    yeah, mad, then you’d concur that inter dont deserve their first 5-6 victories this season then…or last year’s scudetto for that matter. now it makes MUCH more sense.

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  • vin |  October 26th, 2008 at 11:18 am

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    Well, that was a surprise.

    Maybe Serie A will wake up now and see Udinese as serious contenders.

    This may be good for Roma too. (No, I’m serious.) With every Serie A match that they drop, they get that much closer to giving up hope on the Scudetto, and focusing on the CL… something that’s eluded them for a while now.

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  • MAD |  October 26th, 2008 at 11:24 am

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    Why would I concur with that lamagica? When you are playing well you deserve to win. When you don’t, sink like a stone… what do I care?

    You know when you have a good team assembled because they play well. Like I said before, good form means you deserve to win.

    I don’t see how this *couldn’t* make more sense. Teams that play well deserve to win, I don’t see the problem you have with this. It’s not like Inter lost a game to Roma last year in league play… you know, the SECOND best team.

    A team is not good because some idiot calls players on your team “god” or “jesus”, insults the teams that play against them, calls a team “thieves” and some other idiots decide to believe him.

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  • KJ |  October 26th, 2008 at 11:37 am

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    gianfranco…that was classic

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  • lamagica |  October 26th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

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    yes, i understand your ‘logic’ is that when you “play well, you ‘deserve’ to win”. based on that premise, let me break it down for you again:

    you’d have to concur because inter were dreadful last season, particlulary over the last 10 games. hence, they didnt deserve any of those victories that got them the scudetto…barely… AND thanks to a shitload of decisive bad calls going your way. it’s pretty clear that they didnt ‘deserve’ it according to your ‘logic’.

    they played piss poor over the first half-dozen games this year so they didnt deserve any victories there either…again, according to your ‘logic’.

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  • lamagica |  October 26th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

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    also, to refresh your memory, i believe the original comment arose out of the rediculous statement that a team doesnt deserve to win a game based on PREVIOUS performances. so if they happen to play a killer game and walk all over the PRESENT opposition, then they didnt deserve to win the game? how the fuck does that make sense? because it was a fellow interista making that comment?

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  • MAD |  October 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

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    I don’t have to concur that Inter were dreadful last 10 games of last season, and I don’t. I thought that considering what the team went through, we held it together pretty well, in my opinion. And we deserved everything we won. We were the better team and we played that way over the course of a whole season, which was my point. A team that plays well over time, say a season, deserves to reap the benefits of that. A team that is inconsistent, in my opinion, is lucky to win games. In this way, Udinese, I feel, deserves their present and near future victories, should they have them. They are in good form *so far* this season and it shows.

    You can continue saying that we got “a shit load” of bad calls our way as much as you want, it still won’t make it any more true than when Chris does the same thing. The Gazetta’s, that paragon of truth and reporting, “expose” counted some 8 points that we got by bad calls. It never counted the points we should have gotten but didn’t. Have you? I did, and it’s more than 8 points too. So you can go on forever on that. I don’t care.

    I hope that your not saying that Inter played piss poor over the beginning of this season. If you are, then you went from amusing to really, really funny. I mean, I usually delight in getting you worked up but this is too funny, really.

    And my memory needs no refreshing. If Udinese’s form has been good then they deserve to beat a team that has stunk up the joint, like Roma has. I have no problems with that. All that tells us is that a good team has beaten a bad team, which means that the result is expected. And probably earned.

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  • KJ |  October 26th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

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    vin,i respect you and i think you do a good.. But dont you feel dirty rooting against the team you blog for? I dont think I agree with that.

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  • KJ |  October 26th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

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    job*

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  • alessio |  October 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

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    Udinese are the real deal…

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  • vin |  October 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

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    KJ, it happens just twice a year, so it’s not like it’s a constant conflict.

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  • lamagica |  October 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

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    your team played like shit, mad. 11 point collapse does not translate to playing well. get your head out of your ass for once.

    rile me up? lol…right. no, your thick head doesnt rile me up. it’s just that it get’s frustrating dealing with mental incompetence like yours. it’s you that cant come to grips with logic in an arguement so you proceed to take an insane and illogical stance on an issue. not my problem, it’s yours.

    i’ll say it again for the third and last time since this is now becoming irrelevant to udinese and more relevant to your inability to comprehend a sane, logical premise:

    it is a rediculous statement that a team doesnt deserve to win a game based on PREVIOUS performances aganist OTHER TEAMS if they happen to walk all over the PRESENT oppositon in that said game. if they happen to outplay the PRESENT team they are facing and walk all over the PRESENT opposition in a game being played in the PRESENT, then they FULLY deserve to win that game. the fact that a team was not in form prior to that, against other opposition, does not discredit or devalue a win against a team that they outplayed. simple for the general world to understand, but clearly not for the atypical as yourself.

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  • MAD |  October 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

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    Thank you for the suggestion of where to put my head. I’ll be sure to put it right next to my bed at night. It’s good to know that I have your insults of my mental competence and sanity to go against my arguments to make sure I really, really, really, know that you could care less what I say. :)

    You may find any idea “rediculous” you want to. You can even shout the key words at me if you feel like it. I obviously could care less. If a team like Roma, playing badly, beat a team like Udinese, then obviously they lucked out, because a good team, in good form should beat a team in bad form. When that doesn’t happen, in my mind, the lesser team is quite lucky, because they should be steam rolled.

    The betting agencies agree with me, obviously. Udinese was favored, thanks to their good form no doubt. It’s so nice to be vindicated by people who actually put their money where their mouth is.

    And it does discredit that win, to me. A team has an obligation to try hard and be good all season. Not just here and there to save face.

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  • lamagica |  October 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

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    dont kid yourself, mad. you take the time to respond so you care. you care to try and save face rather than coming to grips with the fact that you actually dont make any sense.

    oh, and another beauty concept you’ve come up with – when a team plays well and steamrolls the opposition, it’s because of “luck”. loosen your tie a bit, little fella, so that the oxygen can reach your brain.

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  • MAD |  October 26th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

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    I take the time to respond because you’re funny and you make me laugh. I just think that all the insults are really lame. It’s like that tv show when people used to comment on the bad movies.

    I also think that it’s funny that you call me all these names but can’t read.

    Here’s my quote, “When that (the better team beating a lesser team) doesn’t happen, in my mind, the lesser team is quite lucky, because they should be steam rolled.”

    Definition: When a lesser team beats a better team, they (the lesser team) are lucky because they should be steam rolled.

    Here’s your quote: ‘oh, and another beauty concept you’ve come up with – when a team plays well and steamrolls the opposition, it’s because of “luck”’

    Not even remotely what I said, let alone thought.

    Very funny.

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  • lamagica |  October 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

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    i’ve said it before, mad, they are not insults. they are obsevations. you want to use “lame” to aid you in your denial process, by all means, go right ahead. whatever it takes for you to save face.

    i know exactly what i read and what i responded. you dont need to do an impersonation of the movie “rainman” and reiterate your convoluted jibberish. outplaying a team and beating them has little to do with luck. luck has to do winning a lottery…aka ‘chance’. simple. if they win and outplay a team it’ a deserved win and has nothing to do with luck. you can contort that as you undoubtedly will and continue to make no sense. it’s your ’strength’ after all.

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  • asem ICS (ICS is not a title - it stands for "is considering suicide") |  October 26th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

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    Good victory, Udinistas? (Don’t know if that term is correct.) I mean it with all my heart, really. Udinese is a great team that I think will surprise a lot of people.

    Also, thanks for sending us deeper into a spiral headed for the abyss. That I say with the utmost venom and vitriol. I hope you understand.

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  • MAD |  October 26th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

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    Actually my strength is the strength of 10, because my heart is pure.

    And my face doesn’t need saving, it always with me. Even when I reboot. I wish I could do a “Rainman”, then I could win millions at Vegas. Unfortunately I can only count the standard 52 deck. :(

    All I am doing is cutting and pasting my opinion. It’s not very convoluted. Good teams deserve good results as a product of being in good form. Bad teams are bad because they are inconsistent. Good teams deserve to win. Bad teams must try to hope for a bad day, or a crucial mistake, or whatever. Not really deserving, in my opinion.

    I am much happier, however, that I have reading comprehension skills and that a.) I don’t need people to repeat what they said to me over and over, and b.) when someone writes something, I can usually suss out what they mean.

    As far as making sense, I think that you have made another golden contribution to comedy saying, “if they win and outplay a team it’ a deserved win” and then turn around and tell me that Inter, the team that won the most games last season, “… didnt deserve any of those victories that got them the scudetto”.

    That was a good one. You hardly ever hear anyone do that to themselves anymore. :)

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  • lamagica |  October 27th, 2008 at 6:57 am

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    no, your face definately needs saving because you’re out to lunch and have a hard time admitting it.

    it’s pretty simple, really. you keep flopping back and forth on this particular premise based on if it applies to roma or inter. unfortunately, you cant have it both ways unless hypocracy is an underlying factor in your arguement (which it is). basically (and i stress the term “basic” so that you can wrap your thick head around this concept), if you want to subscribe to the premise (which you emphatically supported) that a teams doesnt deserve to win a present game based on previous performances aganist other opposition EVEN if they happen to walk all over the oppositon in that present game, then inter didnt deserve any of their victories in the last third of the season and, consequently, a scudetto.

    let me put it mathematical terms for you, raymond babbit. inter collapsed in the last third of the season = played like shit = don’t deserve those victories and, further, the scudetto.

    also it’s not surprising to me that you find logic “funny”. that explains a lot about you and your inability to comprehend a normal concept.

    i await your usual blah, blah, blah contorted response but i believe this dead horse has been beaten to a pulp.

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  • alessio |  October 27th, 2008 at 9:49 am

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    Roma can’t win consistently against small teams. (Neither can Juve at the moment) Inter can grind out wins against shitty teams while playing badly. That’s why the Scudetto is in Milan right now.

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  • lamagica |  October 27th, 2008 at 10:43 am

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    i agree. further that tangently reaffirms the point although it doesnt specifically support / not support the point johanna originally made. “grinding out wins” hardly constitues playing well. “grinding”, in the case of inter last year, also meant being the beneficiary of many DECISIVE calls.

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  • Gianfranco |  October 27th, 2008 at 11:47 am

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    Didnt deserve the scudetto Lamagica, and I am sure your boys did. No one ever deserves a title, there is not sense of entitlement to championships, you WIN/EARN a title and it doesnt matter how you get to the end, it only matters to be on top when you get there. Do you as a Roma fan really feel you “deserved” the title, what makes you think some other two bit club didnt deserve it!? It is INSANE to even read this stuff!!!! Then you talk about calls!? Come on man…

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  • lamagica |  October 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

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    gianfranco, maybe you’d be better served to actually follow the discussion rather than trying to shoot blanks in my direction. what you just wrote has NOTHING to with what is being discussed. there was no discourse regarding whether roma deserved the scudetto.

    read johanna’s original stement a few posts up to enlighten yourself on the topic.

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  • KJ |  October 27th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

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    lamagica, you are a pariah of theoffside…please stay @ the roma page where your fellow idiots talk about what factor lost the game for them. trust me, there is alot of info to discuss

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  • lamagica |  October 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

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    believe me, i’d certainly rather be a “pariah” than joining in with you and a few of the others’ here in what can only be described as a cyber circle jerk….although i’m sure you havent held as many virtual dicks as you actually do on the weekends when youre out ‘cottaging’.

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